ja sam u svom postu obicnom coveku suprotstavio ministarstvo - dakle, ministarstvo moze da menja uredbe o putovanjima,i tako doprinese smanjenju verovatnoce da do nas dodje ovaj virus.
svi drugi ljudi bi bili "obicni" jer nemaju moc ove vrste odlucivanja. s obzirom na to da je meksiko destinacija na koju putuje zanemarljiv broj ljudi - prema podacima ambasade tamo trenutno ima nekoliko desetina nasih gradjana, a u taj br. ulaze i oni koji su tamo stalno naseljeni - i kada se preporuci da se tamo ne ide, sanse da neko unese zarazu su kao fusnota iz udzbenika infektivnih bolesti koja sluzi da se studentu snizi ocena na ispitu sa 10 na 9.
virus svinjskog gripa sa jedne strane neke ljude plasi, a neke kao da ljuti cinjenica sto uzbuna zapravo nije prava, i sto nece biti neke "akcije".
sve sto se objavljivalo u medijima su obicne, standardne informacije o virusu gripa, i nije data ni jedna recenica vise od one koja se kaze kada udjemo u "sezonu gripa", samo sto je sada to u zizi javnosti, ponovicu - medicinski neopravdano ovde kod nas!
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Why swine flu isn’t so scary
by vrr on 2 May 2009
Peter Palese has written an excellent opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal on why swine flu is not that scary. His arguments may bring some comfort for those readers of virology blog who are worried about the impact of the new influenza H1N1 strain. Even if you are not worried, the scientific basis for his arguments are compelling and answer some of the many questions I have been receiving in the past week. I can’t think of anyone’s opinion on influenza virus that I value more - and it’s not just because I did my Ph.D. research in his laboratory. He’s an outstanding scientist with balanced, well-informed opinions. Herewith are some excerpts from his piece.
First, Palese reviews the concerns about the new H1N1 viruses:
1. The swine virus belongs to the same H1N1 group as did the 1918 pandemic virus.
2. The swine virus is readily transmitted from human to human. At this point, swine virus isolates have been reported on four continents. The avian H5N1 virus (another virus with pandemic potential) was never proven to readily transmit from person to person; rather, humans were probably infected directly from chickens and these infections required large quantities of virus.
3. The swine virus shows an unusual robustness in emerging outside the normal seasonal period for the virus. Influenza viruses are rarely isolated at the end of April in the northern hemisphere, and winter hasn’t yet started in New Zealand, where several isolates have already been reported.
4. Mutations and/or acquisition of genes derived from other human or animal influenza viruses could make the swine virus into something much more virulent than it is now. Mutations and acquisition of genes are natural processes for influenza viruses against which there are no man-made interventions. Furthermore, these processes (and the extent to which they could enhance virulence) cannot be predicted.
Next, he argues why we should be optimistic:
1. In 1976 there was a an outbreak of an H1N1 swine virus in Fort Dix, New Jersey, which showed human to human transmission but did not go on to become a highly virulent pandemic strain.
2. The presently circulating swine virus is most likely not more virulent than the other seasonal strains we have experienced over the last several years.
3. The current swine virus lacks an important molecular signature (the protein PB1-F2) which was present in the 1918 virus and in the highly lethal H5N1 chicken viruses. If this virulence marker is necessary for an influenza virus to become highly pathogenic in humans or in chickens, then the current swine virus doesn’t have what it takes to become a major killer.
4. Since people have been exposed to H1N1 viruses over many decades, we likely have some cross-reactive immunity against the swine H1N1 virus. While it may not be sufficient to prevent becoming ill, it may very well dampen the impact of the virus on mortality. I would postulate that by virtue of this “herd immunity” even a 1918-like H1N1 virus could never have the horrific effect it had in the past. The most likely outcome is that the current swine virus will become another (fourth) strain of regular seasonal influenza.
5. The landscape of vaccines and anti-influenza drugs has dramatically improved over what it was just a few years ago. Based on what we know of the structure and sequence of the swine virus, these FDA-approved drugs and FDA-licensed vaccines (modified to include the swine strain) would be highly effective against this new virus. Also, present technologies as well as manufacturing capacities will allow us to make sufficient quantities of a swine virus vaccine for the winter 2009-10 season in this country.
In closing, he notes that we have a vastly improved infrastructure to deal with novel emerging diseases:
The preparedness plans developed against the H5N1 influenza threat dramatically improved overall surveillance (we would probably not have learned so fast about the swine virus were it not for these improved capabilities). Major advances have been initiated by our government to develop new and improved manufacturing processes and exciting new vaccine and antiviral approaches are also in the pipeline, and they show promise of tipping the balance in favor of humans against a devious virus. For example, universal influenza vaccines (one long-lasting vaccine against all strains) and broadband antivirals are being developed in our academic laboratories and in innovative small biotech companies. This work has been primarily funded by the NIH and the CDC and it will pay off by diminishing the future impact of influenza on the health of our citizens and on the economy of our country. It is prudent to prepare against swine influenza, but equally important to keep a balanced outlook and an awareness of our current capabilities.
Coming from such a well-informed and experienced source, these arguments are compelling. Please pass them on to anyone you know who might be worried by the recent emergence of the new influenza H1N1 virus.
Why swine flu isn’t so scary
by vrr on 2 May 2009
Peter Palese has written an excellent opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal on why swine flu is not that scary. His arguments may bring some comfort for those readers of virology blog who are worried about the impact of the new influenza H1N1 strain. Even if you are not worried, the scientific basis for his arguments are compelling and answer some of the many questions I have been receiving in the past week. I can’t think of anyone’s opinion on influenza virus that I value more - and it’s not just because I did my Ph.D. research in his laboratory. He’s an outstanding scientist with balanced, well-informed opinions. Herewith are some excerpts from his piece.
First, Palese reviews the concerns about the new H1N1 viruses:
1. The swine virus belongs to the same H1N1 group as did the 1918 pandemic virus.
2. The swine virus is readily transmitted from human to human. At this point, swine virus isolates have been reported on four continents. The avian H5N1 virus (another virus with pandemic potential) was never proven to readily transmit from person to person; rather, humans were probably infected directly from chickens and these infections required large quantities of virus.
3. The swine virus shows an unusual robustness in emerging outside the normal seasonal period for the virus. Influenza viruses are rarely isolated at the end of April in the northern hemisphere, and winter hasn’t yet started in New Zealand, where several isolates have already been reported.
4. Mutations and/or acquisition of genes derived from other human or animal influenza viruses could make the swine virus into something much more virulent than it is now. Mutations and acquisition of genes are natural processes for influenza viruses against which there are no man-made interventions. Furthermore, these processes (and the extent to which they could enhance virulence) cannot be predicted.
Next, he argues why we should be optimistic:
1. In 1976 there was a an outbreak of an H1N1 swine virus in Fort Dix, New Jersey, which showed human to human transmission but did not go on to become a highly virulent pandemic strain.
2. The presently circulating swine virus is most likely not more virulent than the other seasonal strains we have experienced over the last several years.
3. The current swine virus lacks an important molecular signature (the protein PB1-F2) which was present in the 1918 virus and in the highly lethal H5N1 chicken viruses. If this virulence marker is necessary for an influenza virus to become highly pathogenic in humans or in chickens, then the current swine virus doesn’t have what it takes to become a major killer.
4. Since people have been exposed to H1N1 viruses over many decades, we likely have some cross-reactive immunity against the swine H1N1 virus. While it may not be sufficient to prevent becoming ill, it may very well dampen the impact of the virus on mortality. I would postulate that by virtue of this “herd immunity” even a 1918-like H1N1 virus could never have the horrific effect it had in the past. The most likely outcome is that the current swine virus will become another (fourth) strain of regular seasonal influenza.
5. The landscape of vaccines and anti-influenza drugs has dramatically improved over what it was just a few years ago. Based on what we know of the structure and sequence of the swine virus, these FDA-approved drugs and FDA-licensed vaccines (modified to include the swine strain) would be highly effective against this new virus. Also, present technologies as well as manufacturing capacities will allow us to make sufficient quantities of a swine virus vaccine for the winter 2009-10 season in this country.
In closing, he notes that we have a vastly improved infrastructure to deal with novel emerging diseases:
The preparedness plans developed against the H5N1 influenza threat dramatically improved overall surveillance (we would probably not have learned so fast about the swine virus were it not for these improved capabilities). Major advances have been initiated by our government to develop new and improved manufacturing processes and exciting new vaccine and antiviral approaches are also in the pipeline, and they show promise of tipping the balance in favor of humans against a devious virus. For example, universal influenza vaccines (one long-lasting vaccine against all strains) and broadband antivirals are being developed in our academic laboratories and in innovative small biotech companies. This work has been primarily funded by the NIH and the CDC and it will pay off by diminishing the future impact of influenza on the health of our citizens and on the economy of our country. It is prudent to prepare against swine influenza, but equally important to keep a balanced outlook and an awareness of our current capabilities.
Coming from such a well-informed and experienced source, these arguments are compelling. Please pass them on to anyone you know who might be worried by the recent emergence of the new influenza H1N1 virus.
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Mozda je nekom za utehu...mozda i nije ali ,upravo sam na TV-u cula informaciju da je ove godine od obicnog gripa u svetu umrlo oko 5 000 ljudi a od ovog,novog,mexickog...hhhmmm koliko bese do sada?
U svakom slucaju,zar nije potvrdjeno da smrtnost kod ovog gripa nije velika i da su u Mexicu osobe zarazene ovim gripom umrle zato sto u pocetku nisu znali o cemu je rec?
Pacijentkinja iz Austrije je pustena kuci kao izlecena!
Naravno da se treba zabrinuti ali zbog sve cescih mutacija virusa i trebalo bi da se malo ozbiljnije posvetimo podizanju sopstvenog imuniteta i zdravom zivotu!A sad ,da panicimo,zatvaramo se u kucu,pod zemlju,u skrovista,zatvarati decu dok sve ovo ne prodje....malo je paranoicno ,zar ne?
Ovo me sve potseca na famozno pomracenje sunca '99 godine kada su nas,i onako istraumirane posle bombardovanja,naplasili :te zatvarajte se u kucu,ne gledajte sunce,zatvorite kerove i ..taste(
),smak sveta se blizi....
pozzzz
U svakom slucaju,zar nije potvrdjeno da smrtnost kod ovog gripa nije velika i da su u Mexicu osobe zarazene ovim gripom umrle zato sto u pocetku nisu znali o cemu je rec?
Pacijentkinja iz Austrije je pustena kuci kao izlecena!
Naravno da se treba zabrinuti ali zbog sve cescih mutacija virusa i trebalo bi da se malo ozbiljnije posvetimo podizanju sopstvenog imuniteta i zdravom zivotu!A sad ,da panicimo,zatvaramo se u kucu,pod zemlju,u skrovista,zatvarati decu dok sve ovo ne prodje....malo je paranoicno ,zar ne?
Ovo me sve potseca na famozno pomracenje sunca '99 godine kada su nas,i onako istraumirane posle bombardovanja,naplasili :te zatvarajte se u kucu,ne gledajte sunce,zatvorite kerove i ..taste(
),smak sveta se blizi....pozzzz
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Koliko znam od ovog gripa je do sad umrlo ukupno 16-toro ljudi. One cifre koje su pominjane ustvari nisu tacne. Meksikanci su pobrojali sve sto je umrlo pod nerazjasnjenim uslovima i digli paniku.
Ako sam dobro shvatila problem je sto se prenosi sa coveka na coveka i sto je dosta viralan, ali smrtnost nije nesto cime ovaj grip treba da pravi paniku sirih razmera. Iskreno razmislimo koliko ljudi umre godisnje od drugih bolesti.... Samo bez paranoje i panike!
Ako sam dobro shvatila problem je sto se prenosi sa coveka na coveka i sto je dosta viralan, ali smrtnost nije nesto cime ovaj grip treba da pravi paniku sirih razmera. Iskreno razmislimo koliko ljudi umre godisnje od drugih bolesti.... Samo bez paranoje i panike!
''Pandemija cena u Srbiji''
I dok se panici sta i kako svinjski grip, jedva primetih da mi je prasak za sudove ovih dana sa 480 poskupeo na 630 din(30%!!!!!!!) a dijet hleb sa 100 na 170 din. Ne znam kako bih ovo nazvala ali kad sam ovo primetila zaboravih i na grip i na bolest pa ljudi moji ..........
Pa o kojim ciframa se ovde govori!!! Kod nas je procenat poskupljenja veci od bilo kakve epidemije i pandemije isl.
Znam da ovo nije tema ali kad sam ovo videla grip nije ono sto me sad vise brine
Pa o kojim ciframa se ovde govori!!! Kod nas je procenat poskupljenja veci od bilo kakve epidemije i pandemije isl.
Znam da ovo nije tema ali kad sam ovo videla grip nije ono sto me sad vise brine
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Informacije su zlato, ali proverene, pravovremene i dozirane. Sve ovo sa ovim gripom postaje smesno, sve vise postajemo hipnotisani slikama sa tv-a. Moji roditelji, penzioneri, poceli da panice sto idem po novi pasos 
Mislim... stvarno. Pa znate li koliko ljudi godisnje umre od stare dobre tuberkuloze? Mi vec imamo epidemije raznih hepatitisa, coksakija, epidemiju kancera, mozdanih udara, srcanih... a ove epidemije su ubitacnije. Toliko smo zdravstveno ugrozeni da ako i bude pandemije, nema sta da brinemo, pokosice nas. Zato otom-potom, sada je jos uvek vuk, vuk
Mislim... stvarno. Pa znate li koliko ljudi godisnje umre od stare dobre tuberkuloze? Mi vec imamo epidemije raznih hepatitisa, coksakija, epidemiju kancera, mozdanih udara, srcanih... a ove epidemije su ubitacnije. Toliko smo zdravstveno ugrozeni da ako i bude pandemije, nema sta da brinemo, pokosice nas. Zato otom-potom, sada je jos uvek vuk, vuk
Macence odlican tekst!
4. Mutations and/or acquisition of genes derived from other human or animal influenza viruses could make the swine virus into something much more virulent than it is now. Mutations and acquisition of genes are natural processes for influenza viruses against which there are no man-made interventions. Furthermore, these processes (and the extent to which they could enhance virulence) cannot be predicted.
Jedino ovo
ne zvuci bas najbolje.....
Nije mi jasno taj je virus prije bio mislim 90-ih pa zasto se tada nije napravila vakcina?
Zasto su cekali?
4. Mutations and/or acquisition of genes derived from other human or animal influenza viruses could make the swine virus into something much more virulent than it is now. Mutations and acquisition of genes are natural processes for influenza viruses against which there are no man-made interventions. Furthermore, these processes (and the extent to which they could enhance virulence) cannot be predicted.
Jedino ovo
ne zvuci bas najbolje.....Nije mi jasno taj je virus prije bio mislim 90-ih pa zasto se tada nije napravila vakcina?
Zasto su cekali?
Hvala!!!drbgd napisao:zaista uzimam slobodu da kazem da u ovom trenutku, obican covek, moze da ignorise cinjenicu da postoji svinjski grip!
ministarstvo ne, ali obican covek da.
za one koji zele vise informacija, u "strucnim diskusijama" sam postavio link za britanske preporuke u vezi ove bolesti.
Konacno da neko nesto smisleno kaze.
Ne znam zasto se ne suprotstave podaci o umrlim osobama od "obicnog" gripa koji svake sezone u svakoj zemlji usmrti veoma veliki broj ljudi, sa brojem umrlih od ovih egzoticnih vrsta gripova...
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Ma,da. Tako je bila prica i oko pticjeg, a ukupno u svim zemljama umrlo 150 ljudi. A obican vgrip pokosi 1000 u svakoj sezoni, i nikom nista.sludjena mama napisao:Eto,SZO je upravo saopstila da mexicki grip nije nista vise smrtonosan od obicnog gripa!
Umrlih od mexickog gripa ukupno 18,a ove godine od obicnog gripa je umrlo 5 000 ljudi!
Narod je bas podlozan sirenju panike, kao da nema preca posla...
a dobro, sta je zivot bez malo panikeisidora napisao:Ma,da. Tako je bila prica i oko pticjeg, a ukupno u svim zemljama umrlo 150 ljudi. A obican vgrip pokosi 1000 u svakoj sezoni, i nikom nista.sludjena mama napisao:Eto,SZO je upravo saopstila da mexicki grip nije nista vise smrtonosan od obicnog gripa!
Umrlih od mexickog gripa ukupno 18,a ove godine od obicnog gripa je umrlo 5 000 ljudi!
Narod je bas podlozan sirenju panike, kao da nema preca posla...
seriously, smatram da nema potrebe za histerijom, posto se ispostavilo da je virus mnogo manje smrtonosan nego sto se u startu mislilo. s druge strane, ni obicna influenza tipa A nije nimalo naivna i treba je izbeci ako je moguce (imala jednom, bilo je odvratno, dobila upalu pluća kao komplikaciju).
Izvini @drbgd, stvarno sam ishitrno ragovala - desava se to svakom, a ti znas kol`ko te cenim, ali su mi sad nervi k`o strune, tol`ko imam obaveza, a nisam navikla na to (iskidana ahilova tetiva kod moga dragog, gips do prepone, nije mu lako, ali uopste nije lako ni meni).drbgd napisao:ja sam u svom postu obicnom coveku suprotstavio ministarstvo - dakle, ministarstvo moze da menja uredbe o putovanjima,i tako doprinese smanjenju verovatnoce da do nas dodje ovaj virus.
svi drugi ljudi bi bili "obicni" jer nemaju moc ove vrste odlucivanja. s obzirom na to da je meksiko destinacija na koju putuje zanemarljiv broj ljudi - prema podacima ambasade tamo trenutno ima nekoliko desetina nasih gradjana, a u taj br. ulaze i oni koji su tamo stalno naseljeni - i kada se preporuci da se tamo ne ide, sanse da neko unese zarazu su kao fusnota iz udzbenika infektivnih bolesti koja sluzi da se studentu snizi ocena na ispitu sa 10 na 9.
virus svinjskog gripa sa jedne strane neke ljude plasi, a neke kao da ljuti cinjenica sto uzbuna zapravo nije prava, i sto nece biti neke "akcije".
sve sto se objavljivalo u medijima su obicne, standardne informacije o virusu gripa, i nije data ni jedna recenica vise od one koja se kaze kada udjemo u "sezonu gripa", samo sto je sada to u zizi javnosti, ponovicu - medicinski neopravdano ovde kod nas!
Za ministarstvo si totalno u pravu, ja ne znam sta se dogadja, ali to je kao neka magija: svako ko dodje na vlast se jako promeni i sebe posmatra kao neko posebno bozanstvo.... valjda pare to donose..... samo nema toga koga bolest ne vrati na niormalu (Boze me `prosti sto ovo napisah, jer ne mislim nikome bas nista lose, samo konstatujem).
Upavo to ministarstvo treba da da prave informacije gradjanima... ali kada Tomicu vidim, prosto mi se smrkne!
pozdrav svima saljem i izvinjavam se (jos jednom) na pokazanoj nervozi
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Virus GRIPA A H1 N1 - VAŽNO OBAVEŠTENJE
Obaveštenje Grip A H1N1 Uputstvo - download
Osnovne informacije o GRIPU koji izaziva virus A (H1N1) namenjene studentima - download
http://www.studpol.rs/
Obaveštenje Grip A H1N1 Uputstvo - download
Osnovne informacije o GRIPU koji izaziva virus A (H1N1) namenjene studentima - download
http://www.studpol.rs/
Bye bye little lady
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Da li ste nekad culi za teoriju tzv. "Novi svetski poredak"? "Novus ordi seclorum". To je latinska izreka na poledjini US dolara...verovatno ste nekad to videli... ne bih da zvucim paranoicno ali Rokfeler je dao sledecu izjavu: "Covecanstvo bi moglo da dostojanstveno funkcionise samo sa 5% sadasnjeg svetskog stanovnistva...". Sto se tice bogatasa neki kazu da oni FINANSIRAJU razvoj smrtonosnih virusa (i vakcina, al' samo radi njih)...i to cine da bi na ovoj planeti ostali samo oni koji drze 40% ukupnog svetskog bogatstva...To otprilike znaci da svi ratovi nastaju samo da bi ljudi ginuli...to vazi i za viruse iz laboratorija... Ako ovo zvuci glupo ili nelogicno pogledajte dokumentarac Zeitgeist ili neka pretrazi Youtube (ukucaj Verichip, Novus ordi seclorum, Zeitgeist...).
Ukratko: Neko namerno razvija viruse za koje trenutno ne postoji vakcina...
H1N1 je najverovatnije VESTACKI razvijen. Nisam strucan al' tako kazu...
Ukratko: Neko namerno razvija viruse za koje trenutno ne postoji vakcina...
H1N1 je najverovatnije VESTACKI razvijen. Nisam strucan al' tako kazu...
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