Donacija jajnih celija/ povisen FSH/ smanjenja rezerva jaja

[nabla]

5 odlicnih i 2 dobra embriona i da se svih 7 razvija...
Drzite pesnice da borci izdrze do ponedeljka !!

Da pridodam jos malo ovog cikice s ocalama (za svih 7 buducih bebirona)

Ne znam kako je vama u postupku, ali meni se sve ovo kod vas brzo odvija.

Riki, jos malo magicnih ~~~~~~~~~~ i malo cikice

Lily, partizanko nasa .....razmisljam koliko li je ljudi u stanju napraviti ono sto si ti napravila za poslednjih mesec-dva, a pogotovo u poslednjih desetak dana. Kolika je to energija i prodornost. Ne daj da te lezernost njihovog poslovanja omete i da zaboravis da si zajahala zeleni talas

Koje si to imunoloske analize radila?

Lisy, dok ti Riki ne odgovori, femara ti je lek za stimulaciju slicno kao gonal, menopur...ali nesto se ne razumem koje su razlike medju njima. Uglavnom, docovi odredjuju koji bi lek bio odgovarajuci za svaku zenu u skladu sa stanjem jajnika. Nekad u nasem slucaju eksperimentisu , pa kao kod Rikikiki na kraju isprobaju i femaru.

Jusy, , jedva cekamo da se vratis obebljena i s novostima

Kikici i Jovanu ogromna coka

[jesa71]

Ivana~~~~~~~~~~~~+ !Drzim fige!

Lily,meni se u glavi zavrtelo od svega sto vam se desilo...neka ostane na tome,valjda se sve negativno potrosilo...
Nabla,drago mi je da si tu...vec sam se pitala sta je sa tobom...Uzgred,sta je???
Ja punktirala cistu u cetvrtak,sad tropsim Diane 35,jaceg nema,pa ako ne bude iznenadjenja-za dve do tri nedelje krecem sa bockanjem...inace dr se slozila sa mojom teorijom da je ta slabija prokrvljenost jajnika razlog da i supresori,kao i stimulansi,slabije snabdevaju jajnik lekom-jer nema dovoljno krvi.Otuda takav odgovor i na jedne i na druge-los...Izgleda da me opet ceka jaaaka stimulacija,opet me je podsetila koliko smo gonala potrosili prosli put...
Pozdrav svima koje ne pomenuh...ali mislim na vas!

[rikikiki]

Joooj, evo sad sam u gužvi, moram hitno izaći, a žao mi što čekate da vam odgovorim. Htjela sam izvući neke info sa neta, ali kako nikako da nađem vremena pa ću napisati ukratko.
Femara (letrozol) je inače lijek koji se uzima nakon operacije raka dojke, a nuspojava mu je pojava više folikula. To su tabletice koje djeluju skoro isto kao klomifen ali su jajne stanice bolje kvalitete. Dobija se manje stanica (ne mora biti uvijek) ali su kvalitetnije. Pila sam od 3. do 7. dana ciklusa 2 x 1, a 8. i 9. dan sam se bocnula sa po dva menopura. Neki dokrori uključuju i cetrotide, a neki idu bez menopura (samo čista femara) kao moj, samo šta sam ja dosta neposlušan pacijent i za puno stvari sam sam svoj majstor, kao sada što sam si sama dodala menopure.
Imam neki znanstveni rad "Klomifen verses letrozol" (možda nisam dobro napisala) pa ću vam to iskopirati kad bude malko više vremena ... valjda večeras!
Cure, veeeelika pusa!

[rikikiki]

Comparison of the efficacy of the aromatase inhibitor letrozole and clomiphen citrate gonadotropins in controlled ovarian hyperstimulation: a prospective, simply randomized, clinical trial

Abstract
Objective: To study the efficacy of the aromatase inhibitor letrozole in controlled ovarian hyperstimulation (COH). Material and methods In this prospective simply randomized clinical trial, one hundred forty patients with unexplained infertility undergoing intrauterine insemination (IUI) therapy were randomized to receive either letrozole or clomiphene citrate (CC)-gonadotropin. The patients were selected among patients referred to one university hospital and one private infertility clinic. A letrozole dose of 5 mg/day (n=70) was given on days 3–7 of the menstrual cycles. Clomiphen citrate a dose of 100 mg/day was given like letrozole but combined with human menopausal gonadotropin (hMG) dose of 75 IU/ml administered every day starting on day 6. Ovulation was triggered with urinary hCG (10,000 IU) when the leading follicle(s) reached 18 mm in diameter. A single IUI was performed 36 hours later. The luteal phase was supplemented with micronized progesterone vaginally. Ovarian stimulation response (E2 levels and number of follicles) was primary outcome.
Results: There were no differences in demographic characteristics between groups. The number of mature follicles (1.8±0.7 vs. 2.46±2.3; P=0.042) and serum E2 level on the day of hCG (310±135.4 vs. 1,670.7±1021.8 pg/ml, respectively; P<0.0001) were significantly lower in letrozole group. A significantly higher endometrial thickness was observed at the time of hCG administration in patients that received letrozole (9.7±1.6 mm vs. 7.8±2 mm; P<0.001).Clinical pregnancy rates also were significantly higher in letrozole group (32.8% vs. 14.3%, respectively; P<0.01).
Conclusion: The aromatase inhibitor letrozole appears to constitute a good alternative to CC-gonadotropin in patients with unexplained infertility undergoing COH cycles combined with IUI therapy.

Introduction
Clomiphene citrate (CC) is the most commonly prescribed agent for ovulation induction for the treatment of subfertility associated with oligo-ovulation [1] and could be used as a superovulation regimen for timed intercourse or intrauterine insemination (IUI) cycles, when favorably combined with exogenous gonadotropins. Clomiphene citrate is an antiestrogenic agent resulting in a 60–85% ovulation rate and 10–20% pregnancy rate per cycle [2–6].
This disparity seems to be due to the antiestrogenic mechanism of action of cc which involves lasting estrogen receptor (ER) depletion. Because of its long half-life (2 weeks), cc accumulates in the body and may have a negative effect on the quality and quantity of cervical mucus, endometrial development, which may cause implantation failure, luteal phase defects and significant thinning of the endometrium, which is dose dependent [8–10].These adverse effects of cc on the endometrium may explain in part the relatively poor pregnancy rates associated with cc despite the high rate of ovulation. Recently, aromatase inhibitor has been investigated as a potential ovulation induction agent [11].Because it does not deplete estrogen receptors in central and peripheral target tissues, it typically results in mono-ovulation and it may have no negative impact on endometrium and cervical mucus [12–13].The aromatase inhibitors have a relatively short half-life (45 h) [14] compared with CC and therefore would be eliminated from the body rapidly [15]. One prospective pilot study has been performed and the results showed that letrozole cycles have a significantly higher pregnancy rate than CC in gonadotropin-combined IUI cycles. These researches believed that their favorable outcomes could be attributed to a thicker endometrium and a lower level of E2 [16]. Another prospective pilot study showed that the use of letrozole-combined gonadotropins versus cc-gonadotropin in IUI cycles, had a significantly lower serum E2 level on the day of hCG and the number of mature follicles than CC-gonadotropin cycles. However they found comparable pregnancy rate and endometrial thickness on the day of hCG administration between the two groups [17].
The present prospective trial study is an attempt to compare and determine clinical outcomes of letrozole to that of CC-gonadotropin in patients with unexplained infertility.

Material and methods
This study was begun after obtaining consent from deputy of research and the medical ethics committee of Tehran University of Medical Science. In this simply randomized clinical trial, the patients were enrolled from Jan 2005 to 2006. One university hospital and one private infertility clinic participated in this trial.
One hundred forty infertile couples eligible for superovulation and IUI for first time were recruited. All couples
with the duration of infertility that lasted one year or more underwent a routine infertility workup. Tubal patency was confirmed by hysterosalpingography in all subjects. Semen parameters were interpreted by the world health organization (1999) criteria.
The patients had several timed intercourses and were superovulated by CC with or without gonadotropins at least
two times before enrollment. We excluded couples when the female age was >35 years old, having moderate endometriosis, or a basal serum FSH > 10 mIU/ml. The patients were visited and examined by two gynecologists. A series of blind envelops numbered from 1 to 140 had been prepared [letrozol group (A): envelopes numbered 1–70 and CC-gonadotropin group (B): Envelopes numbered 71–140]. Each patient was invited by the clinic secretary to pull out an envelope and was placed in either the letrozole group (group A: envelopes number 1–70) or cc-gonadotropin group (group B: envelopes number 71–140) [18]. The patients in the letrozole group (Group A) received 5 mg letrozole (Femara, Novartis, Quebec, Canada) for 5 days from day 3 of their menstrual cycle. In the CC-gonadotropin group (Group B) clomiphene citrate 100 mg was given for 5 days starting from day 3 of menstrual cycle. In addition, human menopausal gonadotropin (hMG, Pergonal, Serono) 75 IU was administered every day, starting on day 6 until human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) administration. The condition of the ovaries was determined by transvaginal ultrasonography. Sonography was done every other day from day 10 of the cycle by a single radiologist. When mature leading follicle (s) reached>18 mm in diameter, urinary hCG (Profasi, Serono, Italy) in a dose of 10000 IU was given and IUI was performed 36–40 hours later.
The main outcome measurement was pregnancy rate. Clinical pregnancy was defined when an intrauterine gestational sac(s) was visible by ultrasonography. Our secondary outcome measurements were the number of mature follicles 18 mm or more (in diameter), serum level of E2 and endometrial thickness measured on the day of hCG administration and abortion rates. Blood samples were collected on the day of hCG administration. The concentration of serum E2 was measured by a radioimmunoassay (RIA) kit (TKE21, diagnostic products corporation, Los Angeles, CA).The statistician involved in this trial was blind to the kind of treatment, whereas patients and gynecologists were not blind to the kind of treatment because of known different administration methods of these two drugs. SPSS version 12.0 software was used for statistical analysis and t teat and chi-square test were used as appropriate. P value less than 0.05 was considered statistically significant.

Results
The mean age of female was 26.3±4.1 years old (range, 22–35) and the mean duration of infertility was 3.66±1.9 years (range, 1–9). The female age and duration of infertility were comparable between the two groups (Table 1). The number of mature follicles and serum levels of E2 on the day of hCG administration were significantly lower in letrozole group. No cancelled cycles occurred due to excessive stimulation or occurrence of ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome. Mean endometrial thickness was significantly lower in CC group while clinical pregnancy rates were higher in letrozol group (Table 2).
Twin pregnancy was occurred in two patients of 23 pregnant women in letrozol group and two out of 10 pregnant patients in CC group. However three patients (13%) in letrozol group and one patient (10%) in CC group experienced abortion.

Discussion
The results of this study suggest that women with unexplained infertility experience higher pregnancy rate when they received letrozole in comparison with CCgonadotropin. However, the characteristics of patients were not different between the two groups including female age, duration of infertility and infertility factor.
We found that the serum levels of E2 and the number of mature follicles were significantly lower in the letrozole
group. This concurs with the findings of a pervious report [16, 17].Therefore we believe that the pregnancy rate appears to be unaffected by lower levels of E2 in patients super superovulated with letrozole. A recent report indicates that ovarian stimulation with letrozole and the resultant lower peak E2 levels may be beneficial in breast cancer patients who wish to preserve their fertility before chemotherapy [19]. According to the results of the present study, the mean endometrial thickness on the day of hCG administration was significantly higher in subjects taking letrozole than patients received CC-gonadotropins. This finding is in line with the results obtained by Mitwally et al. [20] and Sohrabvand et al [21]. It is probable that the cause of endometrial thickening in patients receiving letrozole is because of improved vascularization as compared with clomiphene citrate [22].Another study also showed that clomiphene citrate can cause inadequate endometrial thickness in 15–50% of patients and have negative effects on the quality or quality of the cervical and endometrial mucosa [22].These complications may be attributed to the anti-estrogenic effect and the relatively longer half-life of clomiphene citrate [11]. To correct the negative impact of CC, the next step could be the induction of ovulation with gonadotropins which increase both the cost and risk associated with treatment. A recent retrospective analysis found that the multiple pregnancy rates were significantly lower in letrozole + FSH than in CC + FSH cycles [20].In our study, twin pregnancy was comparable in both groups. One patient in CC group and three patients in letrozole group had abortion (the difference not being significant). In summary, the results of this study seem to suggest that aromatase inhibitors may be a good alternative for Ccgonadotropins without increasing both the cost and risk associated with gonadotropines. It could even be used as a first line treatment for ovulation induction or augmentation in infertility management

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Table 1 Demographic characteristics of patients treated with letrozole and CC

Variable Letrozole CC + gonadotropin P value
Age (years) 32.8±1.2 33.3±1.3 NS
BMI (kg/m2) 22.4±4.3 23.8±3.7 NS
Day 3 FSH (mIU/ml) 5.8±1.7 5.9±1.4 NS
Day 3 E2 (pg/ml) 52.6±5.7 49.3±4.1 NS

Nisam mogla tablicu napraviti, pa evo probajte se snaći u bojama ... svaka boja označuje jedan stupac!

[rikikiki]

Table 2 Ovarian endometrial response and pregnancy outcome

Variable Letrozole (n=70) Clomiphene + hMG (n=70) P value
Days of hCG
administration 11.5±1.3 11.7±1.1 NS
No. follicles >
18 mm on day of hCG 1.8±0.7 2.46±2.3 0.042

Peak E2 (pg/ml) 310±135.14 1270±760 <0.0001a

Endometrial
thickness (mm) 9.7±1.6 7.8±2 <0.001a

Pregnancy rate (%) 23 (32.8%) 10 (14.3%) <0.01b

[Lily-an]

..........Da, danas je Sv. Petka....zaštitnica žena...kaže se...

Stotinama godina su se prenosile, sa kolena na koleno, narodne umotvorine i izreke, opstale su vredne i istinite...na svim prostorima, odakle su sve devojke sa ove naše teme...

Jedna od izreka je "TREĆA SREĆA"

Ivani je treći put u Brnu!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mini]

Ivana - drzim palceve. To su odlicni rezultati. Zvuci bolje nego reprofit bar po broju celija a i po broju embriona... Dobar kvalitet zaista. Sad samo lots of PMA za sledece 2 nedelje...

Lily - ala je to ispalo avanturisticki. Dobro ste jos u formi... Samo bez nerviranja sledeci put.

Probala da updatiram avatar pa mi nesto nije uspelo..

Rikikiki - nadam se da je ovo tvoj turn.... Sve naj...

Jeso - drzim palceve za sledeci pokusaj...

Nabla - dobro da se javis... Sta je s tobom..?

Ja na raspustu. Idem da uzivam dok jos ima malo sunca....

[Mini]

Nabla i Riki - kako da smanjim fonts u potpisu?

[rikikiki]

Nabla i Riki - kako da smanjim fonts u potpisu?

ja sam ga pisala u wordu i tamo smanjila na size8 i tada prekopirala u prozorčić za potpis...

[Mini]

Probala sam i to, ali font size se promeni kad pastiram u prozorcic. Hm...

[Mini]

Evo lovely poem za inspiraciju ovde na forumu.... Drzim fige svima koji trenutno pokusavaju



There is a brokenness out of which comes the unbroken,

A shatteredness out of which blooms the unshatterable.

There is a sorrow beyond all grief which leads to joy

And a fragility out of whose depths emerges strength.

There is a hollow space too vast for words

Through which we pass with each loss,

Out of whose darkness we are sanctified into being.

There is a cry deeper than all sound whose serrated edges cut the heart

As we break open to the place inside which is unbreakable

And whole.

[Ivana70]

javljam se sa iphona, imaju wifi. vratili mi 3 na moje insistiranje, zaledili samo top quality 1,ostali ne. cujemo se. ovde je odmor, hotel u velikom parku

[rikikiki]

javljam se sa iphona, imaju wifi. vratili mi 3 na moje insistiranje, zaledili samo top quality 1,ostali ne. cujemo se. ovde je odmor, hotel u velikom parku

Uživaj, odmaraj, čuvaj 3 mrve i samo ću ti poželjeti SREEEEEEETNOOOOOO!

[Mini]

Ja mislim da cemo imati prve dvojke na forumu a mozda i malo vise???

Ajd' navijamo Ivana!

Svima pusa...

Sta da radim sa ovim giant potpisom? Dal da ga ipak obrisem posto ne znam da ga smanjim! ?